PROJECT INPUT SOUGHT – Weapons Carrier Pack

Team,

I have some amazing news and opportunity for you all.

A well known, upstanding, popular commercial designer and longtime supporter to this site has commenced a project to provide the best possible fully specialist packs. In this case, a weapons carrier pack.

What is going to be done here, is the initial brainstorming and consumer questioning. Hence, a unique opportunity is provided to you, the followers of Packs and Beyond to provide some input into the design of this pack.

What is sought, is end-user input into a weapons carrier pack, such as seen in the Mystery Ranch Overload (Review seen HERE) or the Eberlestock series of rifle carriers.

So, outlined below is some of my initial thoughts to direct discussion.

 

INTRODUCTION:
A medium to long range pack for dismounted operations for heavy and support weapons.

Such organisations as DFSW (Direct Fire Support Weapons) Platoons in ADF service.
Exemplar of concept: Mystery Ranch Overload, Eberlestock rifle carrier.

LOAD:
Load to be carried is outlined.
1. SWS (Sniper Weapon System) – 7.62, and larger (.338, .50cal)
2. Carl Gustav 84mm Recoilless Rifle
3. Javelin (FGM-148)
4. Mortar Tube or baseplate/accessories (60mm or 81mm)
5. .50cal M2 HMG, receiver or barrel
6. Tripods
7. Munitions, sights, ancillaries and CES for all of the above
8. Bulky items (radios, electronics, stores)

Method of carrying the load? Orientation – Vertical, or slanted (or even capable of both)?
Access? How to secure and access the support weapon?

Sustainment load – how much load?
Volume? I’m going to suggest 50L
Access to sustainment load?
External stowage – PALS rows? Fixed pouches?

I look forward to your input.


Posted in Blog, Military, Packs & Webbing, Specialist by with 3 comments.

Comments

  • Matt says:

    I always look for a pack with hydration bladder capabilities. Something to keep the water weight even. It can be awkward and at risk of breaking, having a bladder on your back in between a plate carrier and pack.

  • Master Baiter says:

    Hi, as a reserve “light artillery” man, I have seen the suffering caused by carrying large and awkwardly shaped load with my own eyes, so I decided to throw in my two cents on the matter.

    At the moment, the way the 81mm mortar is manpacked is rather horrendous:

    The tube and the bipod are placed horizontally under the pack lid, making movement in closed country very difficult, while the baseplate is usually carried in hand because there is no way of attaching it to the pack.

    My thoughts on improving the load carriage are as follow.

    1. Placing load between the frame and the rucksack like the Mystery Ranch Overload is a good idea, as it keeps the weight as close to the body as possible.

    2. Long loads like the tube and the should be carried slanted, with the lower end no extending below the hip, so the soldier can still sit, and the upper end not extending far above the head, to minimise catching on tree branches.

    3. Harnesses can be designed for the tube, bipod, and baseplate respectively, to account for their different shapes. The harnesses should be detachable, so they can be swapped around along with the load.

    4. There should be pocket for the end of the tube to rest in, similar to the MR Overload once again, however, I do think that pocket should be a part of the harness rather than attached to the ruck, so there will only be a single piece that is attached to and detached from the pack. The pocket probably should also be padded to protect the breech plug.

    5. Optimally, the load should be attached to the rucksack, so that when the pack is dropped, the soldier can simply detach the frame and access the load. However, if attaching the load onto the rucksack cannot achieve sufficient stability, then stability will have take priority, and the load will have to be attached to the frame.

    6. The harness for each part should also accommodate two packaged mortar rounds. For the tube and the bipod, the two rounds would be placed on either side of of the part to maintain balance, while for the baseplate, above it.

    As to the rucksack, probably 50~60L internal volume, that’s sufficient for 3 days in field. A separate sleeping bag compartment big enough for a 4 season bag with internal compression straps would be good. Then it’s enough internal space to carry 4L of water, 2 days of rations, a warm jacket, change of socks/underwear etc. 1 day of ration, 2L of water, hoochie, and med kit can be carried on the outside, probably in MOLLE compatible pouches.

  • 22F says:

    Awesome feedback, thank you for the replies.

    Keep it coming team!

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